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Why does TRUNCATE require a special privilege?
- Jump to comment-1Marcelo Fernandes<marcefern7@gmail.com>Jan 16, 2026, 9:13 AM UTCHi,
- Jump to comment-1Dominique Devienne<ddevienne@gmail.com>Jan 16, 2026, 10:32 AM UTCOn Fri, Jan 16, 2026 at 10:13 AM Marcelo Fernandes <marcefern7@gmail.com> wrote:
From the documentation:
TRUNCATE quickly removes all rows from a set of tables. It has the same
effect as an unqualified DELETE on each table, but since it does not actually
scan the tables it is faster.
(...)
You must have the TRUNCATE privilege on a table to truncate it.
It's kinda obvious, when you read the notes.
Granted that TRUNCATE and DELETE are different operations under the hood, but
why would the TRUNCATE operation require its own specific privilege rather than
say, use the same privilege as the DELETE operation?
1) Not MVCC-safe.
2) Do not fire TRIGGERs, thus breaking data-integrity
3) "Viral" in the presence of FKs, i.e. related tables must also be TRUNCATEd
Just these 3 are HUGE departures from a DELETE. --DD- Jump to comment-1Adrian Klaver<adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>Jan 16, 2026, 4:47 PM UTCOn 1/16/26 02:32, Dominique Devienne wrote:
On Fri, Jan 16, 2026 at 10:13 AM Marcelo Fernandes <marcefern7@gmail.com> wrote:
From the documentation:TRUNCATE quickly removes all rows from a set of tables. It has the same
effect as an unqualified DELETE on each table, but since it does not actually
scan the tables it is faster.
(...)
You must have the TRUNCATE privilege on a table to truncate it.
Granted that TRUNCATE and DELETE are different operations under the hood, but
why would the TRUNCATE operation require its own specific privilege rather than
say, use the same privilege as the DELETE operation?
It's kinda obvious, when you read the notes.
1) Not MVCC-safe.2) Do not fire TRIGGERs, thus breaking data-integrity
It will not fire ON DELETE triggers, it will fire ON TRUNCATE triggers.3) "Viral" in the presence of FKs, i.e. related tables must also be TRUNCATEd
Only if you add the CASCADE option, or TRUNCATE them in the same command. Otherwise it will fail.Just these 3 are HUGE departures from a DELETE. --DD
I would add from:
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/sql-truncate.html
"TRUNCATE acquires an ACCESS EXCLUSIVE lock on each table it operates on, which blocks all other concurrent operations on the table. When RESTART IDENTITY is specified, any sequences that are to be restarted are likewise locked exclusively. If concurrent access to a table is required, then the DELETE command should be used instead."
and
""
When RESTART IDENTITY is specified, the implied ALTER SEQUENCE RESTART operations are also done transactionally; that is, they will be rolled back if the surrounding transaction does not commit. Be aware that if any additional sequence operations are done on the restarted sequences before the transaction rolls back, the effects of these operations on the sequences will be rolled back, but not their effects on currval(); that is, after the transaction currval() will continue to reflect the last sequence value obtained inside the failed transaction, even though the sequence itself may no longer be consistent with that. This is similar to the usual behavior of currval() after a failed transaction."-- Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com- Jump to comment-1Marcelo Fernandes<marcefern7@gmail.com>Jan 16, 2026, 9:15 PM UTCThose operations do different things, sure.
But from a roles/privilege framework perspective, why would you want to give
certain users the DELETE privilege whereas others you want to give them
only the TRUNCATE privilege?
Are we saying to a user that "You need a different level of privilege because
you are about to cause a MVCC-unsafe operation?".
Or is the privilege framework simply ruling "Do different things, have
different permissions"?
Marcelo.
On Sat, Jan 17, 2026 at 5:46 AM Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote:
On 1/16/26 02:32, Dominique Devienne wrote:On Fri, Jan 16, 2026 at 10:13 AM Marcelo Fernandes <marcefern7@gmail.com> wrote:
From the documentation:TRUNCATE quickly removes all rows from a set of tables. It has the same
effect as an unqualified DELETE on each table, but since it does not actually
scan the tables it is faster.
(...)
You must have the TRUNCATE privilege on a table to truncate it.
Granted that TRUNCATE and DELETE are different operations under the hood, but
why would the TRUNCATE operation require its own specific privilege rather than
say, use the same privilege as the DELETE operation?
It's kinda obvious, when you read the notes.
1) Not MVCC-safe.
2) Do not fire TRIGGERs, thus breaking data-integrity
It will not fire ON DELETE triggers, it will fire ON TRUNCATE triggers.3) "Viral" in the presence of FKs, i.e. related tables must also be TRUNCATEd
Only if you add the CASCADE option, or TRUNCATE them in the same
command. Otherwise it will fail.
Just these 3 are HUGE departures from a DELETE. --DD
I would add from:
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/sql-truncate.html
"TRUNCATE acquires an ACCESS EXCLUSIVE lock on each table it operates
on, which blocks all other concurrent operations on the table. When
RESTART IDENTITY is specified, any sequences that are to be restarted
are likewise locked exclusively. If concurrent access to a table is
required, then the DELETE command should be used instead."
and
""
When RESTART IDENTITY is specified, the implied ALTER SEQUENCE RESTART
operations are also done transactionally; that is, they will be rolled
back if the surrounding transaction does not commit. Be aware that if
any additional sequence operations are done on the restarted sequences
before the transaction rolls back, the effects of these operations on
the sequences will be rolled back, but not their effects on currval();
that is, after the transaction currval() will continue to reflect the
last sequence value obtained inside the failed transaction, even though
the sequence itself may no longer be consistent with that. This is
similar to the usual behavior of currval() after a failed transaction."
--
Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com- Jump to comment-1Tom Lane<tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>Jan 16, 2026, 11:14 PM UTCMarcelo Fernandes <marcefern7@gmail.com> writes:
But from a roles/privilege framework perspective, why would you want to give
Personally I think that's a plenty good enough reason ;-).
certain users the DELETE privilege whereas others you want to give them
only the TRUNCATE privilege?
Are we saying to a user that "You need a different level of privilege because
you are about to cause a MVCC-unsafe operation?".
The very different locking level is another good reason.
However, looking at our git history, it appears that TRUNCATE wasTRUNCATE will block all other activity on the table, while DELETE doesn't.
originally only permitted to the table owner. The separate permission
bit was added (years later) so that the owner could grant out the
ability to others, without doing anything as non-backwards-compatible
as reinterpreting what operations a DELETE grant allows.regards, tom lane - Jump to comment-1Adrian Klaver<adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>Jan 16, 2026, 10:12 PM UTCOn 1/16/26 13:15, Marcelo Fernandes wrote:
Those operations do different things, sure.
But from a roles/privilege framework perspective, why would you want to give
certain users the DELETE privilege whereas others you want to give them
only the TRUNCATE privilege?Are we saying to a user that "You need a different level of privilege because
you are about to cause a MVCC-unsafe operation?".
The thing I see as difference worthy of separation is:
"CASCADE
"Automatically truncate all tables that have foreign-key references to any of the named tables, or to any tables added to the group due to CASCADE.
Now the same end result can be done with:
delete from some_table:
where the FK's pointing at sometable have ON CASCADE DELETE. The difference being a DBA has the option of creating the FKs with ON CASCADE NO ACTION which would throw an error. In other words you can prevent an unconstrained DELETE on sometable from removing all the child records. With TRUNCATE ... CASCADE, you cannot, the potential for harm is greater.Or is the privilege framework simply ruling "Do different things, have
different permissions"?
Marcelo.
-- Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com